Donkeys That Don't Kick.
Posted 5 weeks 2 days ago byAlas, Democrats are starting to smell an American victory in Iraq. Liberals are like the Russians declaring war on Japan in the late spring of 1945-- late to the fight and full of pomp and circumstance. Fifty years from now, when Baghdad is hosting the Olympic games, how will Democrats convince the American public they were a "full partner" in liberating the country?
This is a tough sell, even for the new Democratic secular messiah, Barack Obama. Christ may have walked on water, but Obama has only recently returned to the cradle of civilization. Obama has recently scubbed the gospels of his website, which asserted the surge as a failure. Somehow future cannons must read that Obama's timetable for withdrawl was the imprimatur for American success in Iraq.
This is not without precedent.
Fifty years ago, Democrats saw another Messiah in their midst named John Fitzgerald Kennedy. There was only one problem: Kennedy was a anti-communist. This didn't bode well for a Democratic party that viewed Alger Hiss as a modern day John The Baptist. Kennedy wanted to take American foreign policy back to the glory days of Harry Truman and Dean Acheson-- the two greatest Democrats this country has ever produced.
After his tragic death, Democrats could not reconcile the JFK legacy with the debacle in Vietnam. Kennedy had started the war. Could Democrats somehow convince the American public he hadn't. To quote Obama, "yes we can!" Democrats simply released liberal academia from their moonlighting jobs as communist patsies in the State Department, and turned them towards rewriting the history of American involvement in Indochina. They even found a modern day Barabass to seal the deal.
Richard Nixon.
Despite John Kerry's timeline of history, Nixon assumed office in January of 1969, on the platform of ending the war in Vietnam. What Democrats could not understand was that Nixon was going to end the war by winning it. Sound familiar? Democrats still can't understand that winning a war also means ending it. In one month Nixon cut American casualties in half, and subsequently bombed Hanoi to the Paris peace table. ( McCain must have enjoyed those sounds in his hotel room)
This was unacceptable to Democrats, who predicated their entire platform on making sure America lost the war in Indochina to the Communists-- I'm sorry, I mean "Agrarian Land Reformers." It seems like the only time Democrats are in favor of indiscriminate bombing is when its done on white people such as was done in Dresden and Belgrade. Fortunately, Truman was in office when it was time to take care of Japan. Had he not, Obama might not have been born...Hmm.
After Democrats lost Vietnam, they turned their attention to prosecuting Nixon for the same crimes that were commited by Jack and Bobby Kennedy with impunity. If you don't believe me, just ask Martin Luther King when you get to heaven. After Watergate, Democrats turned their show trials against the intelligence community. The Church commisions singlehandedly destroyed the CIA intelligence network that took decades to build, primarily to blunt the Communists stated goal of world revolution. Liberals like Communists, so that was out of the question and had to go. What was it replaced with? Those same academics that convinced America Nixon was responsible the Vietnam fiasco. The CIA replaced American patriots with pantywaists who couldn't beat their sister in a fistfight.
Is it any wonder that the CIA had no idea what was going on in the Soviet Union before it collapsed? Or Iraq? Or Iran? Or North Korea? Or Pakistan? Or Libya? Need I go on? Thank God for the Mossad and MI6, or we might have Sharia law in San Francisco...wait...maybe that would be an improvement!
Which brings me to the Cold War. Have you ever heard a Liberal interviewed about the Cold War. Its hillarious. They actually use the word "we" when discussing America's victory over Soviet Ideology, as if they somehow contributed to the cause in ways that were other than detrimental. If we were talking about WWII, they might have a leg to stand on. Even then, they were late to the fight. I'm so sick of the emphasis placed on Republican isolationists in the years leading up to Pearl Harbor. Liberals were in the same boat. They were perfectly content to watch imperialist Britain burn like a Roman candle. Not until their beloved Soviet Union was attacked by Hitler did the Liberals and the unions of this country grow a moral spine.
Don't get me wrong. Democrats are still capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. The hard left in this country still cherish the possibility of an American defeat. But it seems Obama is looking to bring "Hope And Change" to Iraq, and rewrite the history books in the process. This time it might not work. Democrats should stick with what they love, like how global warming affects the eating habits of polar bears. Leave the heavy lifting to the patriots.
After all, Hanibal marched with elephants, not donkeys.













Thoughts
Victory is to survive- death is defeat
Submitted on July 22nd, 2008 by rom12921Interesting take on partisanship in foreign policy.
Eisenhower was
Submitted on July 22nd, 2008 by charlesbaronsteadfast in his refusal to send troops into Vietnam.
sources:
"The Best And The Brightest,"
David Halberstram.
"The Imperial Presidency,"
Arthur Schlessinger
"Bad News: The Foreign Policy Of The New York Times,"
Russ Braley
well
Submitted on July 22nd, 2008 by John 2000if you want to go back to financial aid to the French in Viet Nam then you go back to Truman. Ike continued aid in his time ... and maybe a very small number of advisors which grew under Kennedy with some expanding roles also. He didn't really know what to do ... but he didn't last long. There were about 16,000 advisors from US at end of 1963. Some will say it was because he wasn't willing to jump in with both feet that cost JFK. He was being indecisive for quite a while. LBJ took it to War status almost immediately.
VIETNAM WAR
Submitted on July 22nd, 2008 by AnonymousKennedy didn't start the Vietnam war Ike did when he agreed to commit U.S. forces,to bolster a puppet government the French put in place, not believing the french would loose to a ragtag Vietcong army.I believe this was in his early presidency,check it out.So all Kennedy did was stay with the commitment,besides Kennedy only sent in advisers against his better judgement.it was President Johnson who sent troops into Vietnam.I know I was one of them as I'm sure alot of you were.
provocative posting
Submitted on July 22nd, 2008 by John 2000I found an interesting op ed from March 30 of this year written by someone who was close to LBJ during the time period when he was deciding not to run in 1968. One outstanding comment in the piece mentions LBJ's "growing sense of the futility of achieving total victory". I think the article could be a fairly accurate overall assessment from a somewhat friendly source. He was always much concerned with his legacy and had a huge sense of guilt for fully enabling a pretty lousy bloodbath.
The op ed : http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sund...
However, in turning the D party over to the noisy left wing with their cataclysmic convention in Chicago, he did assure that the D's could get out from behind the 8-ball of completing a war that was not going to be won ... which I think was a big part of your point. It is hard to imagine that MLK and RFK were both assassinated within 2 months in that awful year of 1968. To this day there is no shortage of theories to those events.
But yes, now the strange liberal republican anti-communist Nixon was left holding the ball after a narrow victory, and he had promised 'peace, with honor': which became a political impossibility which the Left revels in to this day. There has not been an administration since the sabotaged Nixon job that has not been total warfare from the very start. This internal warfare is the warfare that has to stop if this country has any chance to survive. Both candidates have given it lip service, but I give the Illinois Very Junior Senator extremely low credibility for his lip service.
I often wonder about that strange election of 2000. I am next to certain that the WTC attack would still have occurred as would the the Afghanistan affair. I don't think that bin Laden would have been taken and I also believe we would have ended up taking strong action against Iraq. Remember that Lieberman would have been VP. In the 90's it was often D's who were making the most noise about WMD in Iraq and talking up the Al Qaida attributions. But, of course, these are speculations and beside the point.
Your assessment of Lib Dems pretty much aligns with mine in the emotion and argument that you express. Where there are differences I infer that they are in degree of black and white and shades of grey. I nowadays see the left and right as goalposts defining the contemporary parameters for a larger game that is being played ... a sort of tag team affair. I have by no means conceded the election to the arrogant one, but I do wonder about the net difference between where we end up regardless of which party wins. The concern that is at least as large to me is the net differences in the congress.
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Oh, just for the record, I found a marvelous line time chronology of the events during Johnson/McNamara war (which you attributed to Kennedy).
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates...